Dmitri ([info]dm_krylov) wrote,
@ 2006-10-25 18:35:00
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OPEN LETTER TO BRAD FITZPATRICK REGARDING THE DEAL BETWEEN LJ AND SUP
Dear Brad,

This is a collective letter on behalf of many Russian LJ users who are concerned about the recent sale of AT, access to information and other rights to a Moscow-based company SUP. While many Russian-speaking users in Russia, United States and elsewhere in the world have enjoyed LJ service and continue to feel loyal to the company after many changes, it has come to our attention that this particular deal is little short of a franchise for a) conflict resolution, b) access to information, c) payment and other services to a newly formed company SUP. This company and its CEO Mr. Nosik in particular have tarnished their reputation among Russian users by several outrageous public statements. In particular:

Well, I surely believe that in the Cyrillic LJ segment there are 10, 100, and even 1000 dumb fucks (out of 698 thousand). I just don’t believe that they have the right to command Brad Fitzpatrick (or Barak Berkovitz) whom to choose as business partners in Russia and on what conditions. (…)

"These bastards won't like it, but I forgive them."

Because Mr. Nosik feels so much disdain to his potential clients we wonder what policies he may implement and what use he may make of our personal and financial information once he acquires control of it.

A copy of Mr. Nosik’s recollections of his criminal past is a vivid self-inrimination in several wrong-doings. Among other things he describes his violating citizenship laws, forging official seals and financial schemes.

The original of these recollections has been edited and some comments have been deleted.

Mr Nossik is known to have closed two overseas sites of the Russian publicist Dugin. In particular, he discribes his own actions in a forum post as follows:

I shut down Dugin's serevers the same way as ruspatriot.da.ru. I simply asked the provider this question: does he understand what kind of site is using his free service?

(Запись 1545 оставил(а) Антон Носик <anton@cityline.ru> Москва, Россия - Monday, March 01, 1999 at 03:47:40 (MSK))


He has also censored and put under rigid political control a magazine in Kirghizia (Kirghizia-previously the part of USSR and now a new independent state). The first of May 2003 independent Kirghizia's news-paper
"Газета.KG"( The Newspaper.KG) with a chief-editor Ulan Melisbekov started its public life. The Internet news-paper was extremely popular- it had thousands of readers. After the civil unrest in Kirghizia (and a new president) the owner and editor of this media Ulan Melisbekov was pressed to sell his media-asset to "companies in Russia" which put Anton Nosik in charge of this newspaper. Making the long story short: "The Newspaper.KG" under the censorship of mr. Nosik lost its audience, there are just few subscribers now.

The whole story can be found here(in Russian)

Alexander Mamut who invested in the SUP company has been implicated in money laundering through the bank of New York which has received national coverage in the US.


A poll in the Russian LJ shows that only 9% of responders perceive as positive the SUP’s acquisition of services for the Russian LJ sector, while 52% (4058 users) perceive it as a negative development (about 20% of each are a. undecided or b. don’t have an opinion).


In view of the above many Russian users are concerned about the safety of their personal and financial data as well as the ability of Mr. Nosik and those working under him to be impartial as an AT service.

The purpose of this letter is to express these concerns to LJ management and to inform you of possible consequences potential mis-handling of private and financial information may have in the future.

To safeguard ourselves from these mishandlings and to understand the technical side of the deal between LJ and SUP, we would like to inquire:

1. how will the switch to the SUP service be made technically for a Russian user based in Russia and elsewhere?
2. will there be a clear and simple way to opt out from switching to SUP at any point and select any other AT and other services of choice?
3. what level of support to Russian users are you planning to have after the switch to SUP becomes available? In particular, we would like to know if the currently existing support will be diminished or altered in any way.
4. how do you plan to resolve conflicts between those users that will have opted to be under SUP and those who will remain loyal to LJ proper?
5.if you plan to consult SUP in AT matters related to those Russian users who decide to be non-SUP clients, as has been mentioned in press, what will be the procedure for appealing their potentially biased opinions?
6.will personal and financial information for non-SUP clients be accessible to SUP, in particular with they have SQL database access and at what level? If not, are you planning to limit their access by technical means or simply by their good will?
7.will IP and log information for non-SUP clients be accessible to SUP?
8.if SUP software developers decide to install new modules on the LJ servers what will be the procedure to guarantee that they are not designed to be an illigal backdoor to the above mentioned information?
9. will new users have a choice between SUP and non-SUP service when signing up?


We would also like to indicate that at this point several Russian LJ users have decided to close their journals and move to another blogging services as a resut of the newly announced deal. Many are discussing similar issues and plan to leave LJ altogether if and when SUP takes control of the Russian sector. There are a number of users who are deeply offended by Mr. Nosik’s remarks. Many Russian LJ users in the US are considering a class action law suit against SUP CEO and/or LJ if their personal or financial information becomes available to SUP.


Posted link at
http://brad.livejournal.com/2260398.html?thread=12474286#t12474286




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[info]aleck
2006-10-25 11:01 pm UTC (link)
Хорошее письмо, 6A правда на него всеравно наплюёт ибо с русскими юзерами возиться им лень а лишние 20млн не помешают.
Про class action это черезчур, но может их и испугает :-)
Вообще поведение 6А указывает на то что они хотят позиционировать решение как окончательное
и не подлежащее обжалованию. Так это или нет на самом деле?

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[info]suhov
2006-10-26 12:34 am UTC (link)
> A copy of Mr. Nosik’s recollections of his criminal past

Перевел. Вдогонку может послать им тоже?

1. Total Recall
Ilya Medkov would have been 37 yesterday. Just almost like me. But Ilya has been like 10 years on Vagankovo graveyard. so he's still 26. (...) I almost forgot that celebration with a pool of champaign, Tanya Ovsienko in mini-skirt and regular walk-outs to lavatory, where everybody would come out cheered-up, with the sparkle in one's eye... (...) I just recalled it all.

May be after a long while, somebody will write about it. And about "DIAM", and "Pragma", and computer of Central Bank of Russia, and (...)...

2 Ilya Alekseevich Medkov did everything to end up killed. He had had booked a flight on 16 Semptember 1993 at 19-00 from Sheremetyevo-2. He just didn't turn up at the airport. He stayed in his office till 1 o'clock morning. Then he walked out of the building (crossing of Kostikova street and street of year 1905, and a killer shot him with Simonov gun. Ilya knew for sure that he's either out of the country or he's dead. The Paris flight was booked not by accident. Had I been him I would have chosen death too. But I wasn't: I went home an hour ago. My office was just two floors below.

3. User katyat asked:
2004-02-28 02:03 am UTC (link)
As far as I know stories that happened to I.M. [Ilya Medkov] then and before, when big money came into play, were of purely criminal character. One could, of course, see some romanticism here, but that's up to oneself.

User dolboeb [Anton Nossik] replies: You're absolutely right, dear Katya.
Whatever romanticism one can see here, the dead man wasn't clean with the law.

But I dare-say that when I came to Israel in 1990, quietly having exchanged my tourist status for citizenship (and not relinquishing soviet citizenship as required by soviet law), I also committed crime according to Article 64 of Criminal Code of Russian Federation, "Treason". This article considered mere not-returning back to motherland a crime, and punishment was up to 16 years in jail with confiscation of property or even capital punishment. The article was repealed by Yeltsin's government as late as 1996. Only after that I received my Russian passport for travelling abroad under my true name, and could go back and forth out of the country, but until that I had to come with visa, given on the name אנטון נוסיק.

That's why I think the term "crime" should not be applied to events in Russia of that time -- the application of it doesn't have a moral ground.


4. The comment deleted by Nossik:
capharnaum
2004-02-28 02:04 (link)
Yeap. And making fake stamps in CorelDraw!, and courier, who entered when our heros in gloves were just about to stamp fake documents, a case full of fake cheque books, forgotten in the boot of a taxi...

Most interestingly - you, Anton, hope that this story will come out only when everybody forgets it all about it. But I hope it will be out sooner. Anyway, I'd confess if I'm asked to.

dolboeb replies
And otherwise you wouldn't speak out, would you?

I'd read with great interest your memoirs about that period. Give it a name: "Once upon in Russia".

Yeah, but stamps, faked in CorelDraw! for custom officers in Belarus - you're right, that was fun. This story didn't end there, it had a sequel couple of years after Ilya's death, when we opened CorelDraw! courses in Jerusalem.


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fair enough
[info]suhov
2006-10-26 12:56 am UTC (link)
http://brad.livejournal.com/2260398.html?view=12474798#t12474798

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[info]suhov
2006-10-26 12:34 am UTC (link)
5. Another user commented
nobodyelse
2004-02-28 02:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just an ordinary gangsterism...

Nossik outraged:
From this I have to conclude that you either don't know anything about gangsterism, or about Ilya's deals that enriched him.

The criminal activities that would have been incriminated to Ilya on supposed arrest on 18 September (and to avoid that he was killed on 17th), were entirely in the bank fraud area. Ilya was a XXI century man, not XIX. He believed in computer networks when everybody else believed in transistors.
(...)
Do you really think there is no difference between crime committed against Treasury and crime committed against a person?

User nobodyelse: crime against Treasury - that's after all crime against a person, just indirectly.


User dolboeb: From the point of view of communists and fascists - yes, certainly.

In post-soviet time there was this huge corporation called State, built on denial of human rights and robbery of ordinary people.

I'm not sure that stealing from it, from emerging commercial structures that replaced it, was such a big deal. I'd rather believe in reverse.


User piligrim notes: "Property was hidden not from the people, but from the gangsters." Return it to the people! With interest rate paid.

And this comment was wiped out too.

Logical but panic point of view is expressed by user nasralla. What are you doing? Are you crazy? You can't say all that in a public journal. Think! Remove it all for Christ sake!

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[info]commentator07
2006-11-07 09:27 am UTC (link)
> He believed in computer networks when everybody else believed in transistors.

Эк вы смягчили забавно. Там юзер пишет про паяльники (имя в виду видимо, засовывание таковых в задницу), а вы про транзисторы.

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[info]johnniestratis
2008-08-11 10:31 pm UTC (link)
© Transitions Online LATVIAN ARRESTS IN NAZI MARCH BAN About 60 people have been arrested in Riga for defying a ban on rallies commemorating Latvians who fought with Nazi Germany during World War II.

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Where's' the post?
[info]emdrone
2006-10-26 12:55 am UTC (link)
Am I missing something?? I cannot see anything in Brad's journal following your link.
Or is it screened until the owner unscreens it?

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Re: Where's' the post?
[info]suhov
2006-10-26 12:56 am UTC (link)
я тоже
мой коммент видно хотя бы?

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[info]brodericktighe
2008-08-11 05:28 pm UTC (link)
:down: Или собрав неспешно (а он неплохо стоит на лайне) морриган выдаёт просто бешеный дпс в миде :pray: Назови мне хотя бы парочку чаров, которые смогут выдать хотя бы такой же дпс в том же отрезке игры :deal: Творожок 17.

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Re: Where's' the post?
[info]dm_krylov
2006-10-26 01:01 am UTC (link)
There ain't anything. He hasn't replied yet.

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[info]sammykinower
2008-08-11 04:15 pm UTC (link)
"You know Renraw hasn't said anything yet about you really being a girl. You're still under contract.

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[info]rtlss_csmpltn
2006-10-27 03:32 am UTC (link)
Деньги не пахнут.

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